place smelled. he tinkered with the recipe until he came up with a mixture for the soda fountain. it remains the oldest soft the drink still in mass production. that's how dr. pepper got its start. now huckabee. tonight on huckabee. >> everything's allowed to change their mind. >> charles krauthammer on politics and on what really matters. >> things i find interesting and important in life, chess, baseball, space. >> looking back at a small part of the universe that he created. >> the last plan to walk on the moon joins the governor. the first thing that came out of my mouth was negative. >> how trips to the holy land are helping america's heroes

heal from their emotional scars of war. >> i think israel gave me a little spark. ladies and gentlemen, governor mike huckabee. [ applause ] >> thank you. thank you, everybody. and welcome to huckabee from the fox news studios in new york city. great audience here. let me just say, as you and your family enjoy thanksgiving weekend together, it really would be a great day to make a list of some things that you should be thankful for but maybe never thought about. now, when i heard about a community in new jersey who complained that the sound of rev lee and the star-spangled banner from a nearby base disturbed their peace, my reaction was not

one of sympathy or pain. i live near eck land air force base. tyndall air force base is in nearby panama city where f-22 raptors, ospreys and helicopter gunships are deployed. and the pensacola station is home of the blue angels. coast card helicopters and patrol boats are a welcome sight to my eyes, because these are the tough ombres who fly into a storm who rescue some people who are as dumb as they are brave. i'm used to them rattling the windows. i can see navy ships out in the gulf going through maneuvers, and my reaction is to smile and

say thank you. because those sounds are not the sounds of annoyance. those are the sounds of freedom. and i never tire of hearing them. [cheers and applause] those sounlds mean that the most motivated and highly trained men and women in the history of the military are on the job to provide a safety net of security for my family. i'd much rather prefer to have the windows rattle from the sounds of a fighter jet flying low over high house in a training mission than the sound of a bomb in my front yard put there by america's enemies. [ applause ] well i know in fact i feel that way. i tell you this. if the army, navy, air force, marines or coast guards, if they want to blast rev lee or the national anthem in my neighborhood, so be it. if they're getting up early to protect me, then i sure as heck

out to drag my butt out of bed to salute them. i've been in battlefields where children live. i've been in synagogues and markets with holes in the roof where palestinians fired rockets from gaza, attempting to murder israeli children. the sound of an f-35 over my head is far more comfortable to me than the sound of an enemy rocket roaring into my kitchen. so if you hear some noise from a military the installation, instead of calling city hall to complain about it, how about a call to liven saying you appreciate being an american and asking god to please, please keep an eye out for those folks who are making the noise. [cheers and applause] the horrors of war take a toll

on our troops. many come back injured emotionally, spiritually physically. 22 veterans commit suicide every day in the united states. now there's a group called heros to heroes. their mission is to help veterans heal by taking them on a spiritual journey to israel. jude e judy is the founder. this man spent years in iraq and he says his trip to israel saved his marriage and helped him stay with his family. [ applause ] >> let's talk to them right now. >> judy, so many organizations reach out to veterans. and i'm wondering, because we have these organizations, is that an indication that maybe the va and official government entities just aren't doing as much as they ought to be doing? >> this is a big country, and

the va has a huge, huge job. there is no way one organization can handle everything. there are so many aspects to the challenges our veterans have. and as an american, as a mother, it's hard for me to let it all go. i couldn't, i couldn't just let these young men and women who raise their hands to volunteer so my sons could go on with their lives, i couldn't let it go. >> is that how you got started? >> that's how i -- >> is that the motivation. >> that was the motivation, and as parent, as american parents, my family is in tact. my children are able to go to college and continue with their lives because many young men and women raised their hammeds. they volunteered. they offered to go. their families are broken. and i met some of those mothers. and as a mother, i couldn't say it's okay that, you know, hey,

it's okay. thanks, and walk away. >> it's a very interesting concept. you take american heroes and take them to israel and introduce them to their israeli counterparts. your husband came back from iraq, had really serious difficulty with post-traumatic stress disorder. you guys were separated from three years. when he first came back, did you know something was wrong? >> oh, absolutely. >> it wasn't like subtle. >> he was a different person when he came back from the war. >> what were you afraid of? >> i was afraid of him doing something to me or to himself. you know. he was angry all the time. couldn't sleep, bad dreams. and so i, you know, tried my best to comfort him. >> charles, how did you first hear about heroes to heroes? and what did you think of it? >> it was actually a friend who told me you needed a break. i needed to go out and reach.

i was losing faith that i didn't have anything to really stand on to connect with. so i got the information wrote to judy and explained to her my situation. and she said yeah. you should. and when i told her i was going through my wife and family. everything was already broken, you know. you could be here. and you're not here, and your heart is not here. and everything is hard to connect, so. >> you knew something was wrong too. you weren't just saying oh, i'm fine, everything's great. ? >> it was me, everything that came out of my mouth was negative. everything was bad. everything was rude. everything was a challenge. everything was not with a thought process, you know. everything had to be wrong. i just fought against the world. it was just wrong. >> when you got to israel, what happened? what changed? what impacted you that made things different? >> you know, when you go home, you want to be embraced by your loved ones. you want to be embraced by your

people. you want to be embraced by those who put you there respectfully. because that was a job that you did. i'm not jewish, and i went there, you know, i'm a catholic, latino male, going to israel, this was overwhelming to me. the first thing they did was shalom, welcome, you're home. and to say that to me was like wow. so just took me to another level. when someone says you're home. and when i went home to the states and i didn't get the [ knocking ] how you doing, that took a lot out of my, you know. >> did you come back a different person when you made that trip to heros to heroes, when you made that trip, what was different? >> i think the trip was overwhelming to me to accept, to understand what i want to do, how i should continue on this path. i think israel gave me a little spark in me. told me you can do it.

you can try. we know you have this. but try to manage it. try to work with it. the people at rehab, the events, the places, they all gave a helping hand to make sure that i was okay. >> that's valerie, your service dog who's speaking up. he's disappointed that i have not asked him a question. >> probably so. probably so. >> by the way, that's one big dog by the way. i understand part lab and part dane? >> yes. >> when charles came back from israel, did you sense something was different in him? >> absolutely. he was, he communicated better with me. he wasn't as angry. i mean, he still has work to do, but i want to thank judy so much for helping my husband, because it really is a different life now. >> well, it's a beautiful story, and it's an incredible

organization, heros to he roys. you guys are celebrating your first christmas together this year? >> yeah. >> wonderful. >> i hope you have a mag any of september first christmas together. [ applause ] >> you have helped make a beautiful christmas. you're going to stay with us. and up next you're going to hear from a veteran who says his trip to the holy land saved him from killing himself. judy will stay with us. you better as well. we'll be right back. go to my web site or sign up for my facebook page and follow me on twitter. you can find a link to that and more on mikehuckabee.com. get a free sample and try for yourself.

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>> group is called heroes to the group is called heroes for heroes. its mission is to send vets to the holy land and find some peace after the post-traumatic

stress that they've endured. back with the group's founder, judy schafer and along with us a man who served for 8 years. he says before his trip to israel in 2012 he was living in darkness. and greg cruz gretter served as a cruise sometime inner. great to have you guys with us. [ applause ] >> you said this group saved your life. now that's pretty dramatic. how did they do that? >> the thing was, is at the time coming back from iraq, i was feeling depressed. i didn't have anyone to, you know, counter any things that i was going through, didn't know how to act. i didn't even know what ptsd was. but there was a phone call that

was made to me from team red white and blue that someone knew from heroes to heroes. it was actually august 10th that i got the phone call, and i had just visited the va. i just went to the va. they gave me some more medications, said hey, this is what you need to do. and i had told myself. i can't take anymore medicine. my faith isn't there anymore. i'm going to do something. it's going to be today. i don't want to be here anymore. and lo and behold, i got a phone call that same day. i was contemplating -- my kids were at school. i was home alone, and i got the phone call. and they said heroes to heroes wants to send someone to the houston team, hey, would you be willing to go? and i want to thank judy and heros to heroes for saving my life and my kids' life. >> on the day you were thinking

of suicide heroes to heroes called and you ended up getting baptized in the jordan river? >> yes, sir. yes, sir. [ applause ] >> you just got back from israel a month ago. and i think one of the things that's remarkable, it's not just for christians or jewish, it's for anybody. it's home to really, three very significant faiths that we know of christianity, judaism and islam. but tell me about your experience. you just got back. what did they do for you? >> it's tough to put into words, but i think it was life changing. growing up as a catholic, my mom dragged me to church every saturday, sunday, holy days of obligation, but to stand on the spots you learned about in school and to experience the energy and the positive that was

just there, i think i was emotionally hit every day by something at one place or another. it was really moving in so many ways. >> and you planted a tree, because that's a very important tradition in israel is to plant a tree and rye forest the country. when you planted that tree, did you feel like you were saying that there's something here that 20, 30, 150 years from now may still be here that my hands put here? >> i was picked on a little bit. i took a gps everywhere i went. but the group that was before us, their trees were already taller. we planted a few that day. and i shared one of my trees with my israeli veteran friends. and we put a tree down for fallen warriors and his fallen warriors. and it's going to grow and be there forever. >> tell me about the connection you had with the israeli counterparts. these are men and women of the

israeli defense forces. how did that impact you? harrison? >> you know, getting the chance to meet them and spending ten days with these guys completely changed how i viewed the culture there when it comes to israeli and the military and the pridefulness that they have for each other. it showed brotherhood, like we were part of their army. and they didn't know us. and i really appreciated that, because these men and women is something that they're doing this, two year service, or four years, whatever it is they do, the entire country serves or has served. it made me feel like there was a connection. we're going to be brothers and sisters for the rest of our lives. we know what it is to be at war, ptsd, dealing with darkness, invisible wounds or physical wounds. it was just amazing. it really connected me to them. >> i want to say to both of you.

i'm so glad that you were introduced to heros to heroes. i'm so glad you've been to israel. i've been between 25 and 35 times myself over the past 40 years. thank you. you've never worn a uniform, but in many ways you are a hero to reach out and care for these veterans who have served our country and give them the hope of restoring their faith. i hope people will support heroes to heroes and that you will continue to make this kind of impact on these great americans just like harrison and greg. thank you. [ applause ] coming up, best selling author and commentator, charles krauthamm krauthammer. what really matters to him this thanksgiving weekend? well, i'll just ask him when we come back. so i kn untilt was full. you'd be crazy not to. is tt nana? [ male announcer ] fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex.

you know my next guest from his regular appearances on special report with braet baier. but did you know that charles krauthammer wasn't always into politic, and he wasn't always a conservative. he's the author of the number one book "things that matter." we see you always with these very strong and bold and clear, sometimes edgy comments about politics. there's a lot more to charles krauthammer than politics. most people probably don't know you're really into baseball. how did that become such an interest to you? >> pat of the book is about the things i find elegant and beautiful in life. i write about chess, baseball,

space. i write about a lot of things. in fact, my original intention, governor was to write a book there's more to life than politics and do nothing but those kinds of things. in the end, i decide i couldn't really do that. and it's for the same reason i left medicine when i spent seven years in my younger days to become a writer and be involved in political discourse. and the reason is that in the end, politics, however grubby it is and grasping, it can be very cynical and manipulative. for all that in the end, everything, all the lovely things in life, the high elements of our culture, all of that depends on getting the politics right. and those societies where they get the politics wrong, everything else dissolves. and that's sort of why i changed my career. and it's also why i put a lot of politics in the book, even though, as you say, i write

about baseball and other kinds of things that show human excellence. >> i just want to clarify that you're one of the true harvard medical school graduates who did not quit medicine because of obama care, just to establish that. >> you know, it is funny how some of my classmates -- i graduated way back in the '70s. they say how did you know to get out of medicine 30 years ago. and the answer was,ly no idea it was going to go downhill as badly has it has. ly no idea the pressures on doctor, how many more patients they have to see, how their payments have been reduced. how their ah ton any has been attacked. and i have no idea how badly it would become under obama care where all of those trends are really accentuated. the reason i left was a very parochial, very personal reason is that even though medicine is a wonderfully noble life, i felt outside the walls of the hospital there was history going on, as i know you know as your

involvement in politics. you want to be involved in that, because so much, so much of other people's lives depend on getting it right. >> this book, in many ways, i think introduced people to who you are. they see you on special report. they know what you think. they know what you believe. they read your columns, but the personal side of charles krauthammer had never really been revealed like this. was there any reluctance to sort of open yourself up like that because of the background of psychiatry, did that have anything to do with it at all? >> i'm not sure that that's the reason. i think it's because, you know, when i write my column, i try not to use the word i. this is in contrast to a certain president of the united states who can't clear his throat without saying the word "i." >> our audience certainly agrees

with that assessment. >> i'll try to give him a break for at least one week here. but i find that my life is less interesting than what i write about, which is the world. so i try not to do that, but i did think, especially because as you mentioned earlier, i started out as a doctor because i started out in my 20s as a liberal, that, you know, everybody's allowed to change their mind, but if you're in public life, you have an obligation to explain why. that's why i wrote the introduction of the book, a very long introduction that's essentially auto bography cal. >> i want to ask what changed his transformation from liberal to conservative. that's worth staying around fr.r we'll be right back. like a milk-bone biscuit.

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and a lot more people waiting on the platform. you did not start out as a conservative. you tinld to be a little left of center. so what made you say whoa, this is not where i need to be? >> well, let me just say i'm not the first to make the migration. there was a certain ronald reagan who started out as new deal democrat. this is a very well trodden path. you know the old adage, if you're not a socialist when you're 20 you have no heart. if you are still a socialist when you're 50, you have no head. so i've acquired a head over many years. but it really isn't that complicated. i never had an epiphany. i never had a moment where i woke up and the skies had parted and i said oh, my god, i've been thinking the wrong way. what it really was is this. i was a great society liberal. i believe thad a great society, a decent society has an obligation to help the least among us. and what i thought as a liberal

when i was a democrat in my 20s is that the great society and the war on poverty was the way to go about and do that. what changed me is very simple. i'm open to empeerical evidence. if i'm giving out medicine and it's killing all my patient, i'm going to stop the medicine and try something else. and the evidence began to come in in the 1980s at the beginning of my 30s that showed that the great society and the war on poverty were not only not helping and wasting all that money, but they were undermining and destroying the very communities they were trying to help. and there was tons of evidence that began to yes merge, very good social science came out in the '80s and '90s that made that indisputable. i rethought my assumptions. what's the better way to help those that need to be helped. what's the better way to organization society so they can be free and flourish. and it wasn't hard from there to

go to essentially where i am today, a believer in smaller government, more limited government, more individual freedom and liberty and also prevent the leviathan state, the big state, the entitlement state that liberals are so enamored of from crushing the institution, family and church and community and association that are the essence of american society. because that is one of the side effects of big government, and they are these treasured institutions that nurture the individual and they are the engines of american genius and american liberty. >> you see a lot of college students who are very idealistic. do you think some day the height will come on for some of them? and how do you talk to college students and say hey, here's where i was, but here's where i ended up? >> i tell them, look, i know you've been taught by a professors that conservatives

enjoy throwing orphans in the snow. so i'm here to tell you that that's not really the case. and that conservatives, in many ways, like all americans, have the same objectives. a free society, a flourishing society. and looking after those who are helpless. i try to explain to them the difference between what we have in america, which is the safety net state and what they have in europe, which is the entitlement state, where everybody is sort of cuddled and cradled by the government all their lives. here we believe in the free individual, in choice, in risk, in enterprise, in energy. and the way to achieve a society that looks after the helpless, that produces the prosperity, that allows the support of the helpless, including orphans and others, is a free society with a flourishing economy. and that's the essence of the argument. >> you know, i think you've just

helped us understand why your book is number one on the new york times best seller list. [ applause ] >> charles, it's an honor to have you here. thank you for coming in. >> it's a pleasure. >> my best selling book dear chandler, dear scarlet is a great read. all right. the paper back edition is available at amazon, bookstores and at mikehuckabee.com. and an astronaut will talk about our country. [ woman ] i'd be a writer. [ man ] i'd be a baker. [ woman ] i wanna be a pie maker. [ man ] i wanna be a pilot. [ woman ] i'd be an architect. what if i told you someone could pay you and what if that person were you? ♪ when you think about it, isn't that what retirement should be, paying ourselves to do what we love?

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>> each week day hear my -- details at mike huckabee.com. when i was a kid growing up in the '60s, there were no bigger celebrities around than nasa's astronauts. they were the rock stars of my generation. following my show. fox snews is going to ara special. one of the astronauts in the special is gene sernon. >> it's beautiful.

>> total time we were outside the spacecraft was 22 hours. that's the longest that any crew has been outside the spacecraft. >> you wanted to be out there on the moon all the time. >> jack schmitt and ron evans had never been out there. i said enjoy. and they did. i did. we bounced around. but it was a natural response to our environment. >> hip ety hop ety. >> you put yourself in a new environment of risk. people say you had a lot of guts. i didn't have a lot of guts. i didn't go to the moon not to come back. >> blooming with color, atmosphere and light in a cold, black sky. profoundly affected sernan. >> i promise you, if i could take every human being with me for five minutes, standing next

to me on the surface of the moon and look back at the earth, the world might be a better place to live in. there is no question in my mind that there is a creator of the universe. >> joining me now, the last man to walk on the moon, gene sernan. i am so honored and thrilled to have you hire. when i grew up, the astronauts were the heroes for every kid my age. and when i think about our space program and all it has meant, i'm somewhat frustrated. we don't have much emphasis on the space program. i think we're losing something. what are relosing by abandoning our space efforts? >> i think we're losing the vision and the commitment that john f. kennedy, the challenge he presented the american people with, you know, we're looking at

a half century of our excellence in space being the leaders, being out in the forefront and governor in the last four years, it's really heart breaking, because in the last four years, we've really torn that down. we've, in, quote, transformed the space program. and unfortunately, it's the way we're transforming the country. and it bothers me tremendously. >> i can remember all the things that we benefitted by, the spinoffs from the space program are mag any of since. everything from our gps to digital watches and digital camera, everything that we take for granted wouldn't have happened because of the space program. are we going to be behind scientifically because of our abandonment of this? >> i think to a certain degree, yes. and one of the things that people don't talk about, i'm a little bit older than you, and

appreciate your teenage comments, but i have 40 and 50 year old young men and women coming up and saying captain cernan thank you. i'm a scientist, i'm an engineer, i'm a schoolteacher, i'm flying air force jets because of what you did. it's because of what we were doing as a nation, committed to something that had never been done before. kennedy challenged us to go to the moon. i wasn't even in the space program. and i was one of those young people where, he's asking us to do the impossible. he's asking us to do what can't be done. and the rest is history. and the inspiration that the program provided for the last half century to those young men and women, those young kids in high psychology and college today doesn't,ist.

it's not there. it's been the inspiration. you know, it's disheartening, very disheartening for my. you may very well know jim lovell, nooeil armstrong and i wrote a lot of op eds on this. we had bipartisan support in the congress, a lot of at taboys -- >> you were the last man on the moon, that was 41 years ago. i wouldn't have thought 41 years ago that we weren't going to go back, that our space program was going to be in this level of decline. and i guess i'm concerned that we're missing something terribly. are we missing something thaw spoke of, not just the sigh inch, but the inspirational

value, you said you couldn't imagine not believing in a creator. have we lost the vision of something bigger than ourselves. >> people often ask what it's it like to go to the moon. and that's a tough question to answer. and if i could sum it up, let your imagination wander. it's like sitting on god's front porch, looking back at a small part of the universe that he created. it, it's almost inexplicable to try and take yourself there, but if you can, you'll know what it's like. and to be able to do that, to be able to go where no man has gone before, to be the leader, the world leaders, spiritual leaders as well as technological leaders is significant to this country. we always had been. and not to be there today, what's wrong with this headline. 40, 50 years ago, americans were

walking on the moon. today we're taking clean laundry to the space station. we cannot even put an american in space anywhere, much less go to the moon on a piece of hardware that says made in the usa. that hurts. and it ought to hurt everybody. >> it certainly should. captain, thank you. you certainly are a hero to me and to all americans to lived during that wonderful and magical time of the space program. it's an honor to have you on the show. thank you. [ applause ] >> it's my honor. you have a great thanksgiving. >> thank you. you too. well, don't miss the fox u news special, fly me to the moon. anthony concekerns get us i holiday spirit with a traditional song. it's black friday weekend at verizon.

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>> he has a brand new cd out called "with a song of in my heart." please welcome back to the show anthony kearns. you are kicking off the hole sdooin what will be the first of a wonderful month of getting ready for christmas. what are holiday memories you have of growing up in ireland you want to tell us about. >> i love going home on tour in the states every year for christmas i go home the same day december 23rd to ireland and we spend more time at christmastime in ireland. about four years ago coming up

from washington, d.c. on the train i got the 12:00 train there was snow p on the ground 4 feet deep. the train stopped. we were 18 hours getting to new york. on that journey i sthared the train with many guys and girls. the work they did was phenomenal helping people on and off the train. we ran out of food and water they got off to re mren nish -- replenish the food and water. 18 hours on the train to new york i was able to get out of the airport and home to my family. >> what are you going to sing today? >> "hark the herald angels sing." ♪

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>> welcome to a "kelly file's special report" a salute to the greatest nation. an event took place on the washington national mall. they barricaded the war memorial in a movie blame on the partial government shutdown. the action was swift and angry. in the time tit took to find bot cutters they found defiant soldiers crossing the barricades with the kind of determination that reminded many in america again of the spirit that once